Parallel Salmon Triscuit by Ragnar

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2012-02-26 12:03

thOke

2012-02-26 12:03

i do not understand your time signature description.

the first thing i don't get is that within a single bar you have different time signatures ?? how should one count that ?

then ... the overall tempo feel at the beginning of your track is at about 85 BPM (it varies though).

counting quarters at a speed of 85 BPM results in 21 bars and 1 beat in a minute with 4/4 time signature. one beat is about 0,7 seconds long (60:85) , one bar is 0,7 x 4 = 2,6 seconds.

one 'bar' of 31/4 (?!) beats would last about 22 seconds (0,7 x 31)! the whole track is 1 minute and 31 seconds long and your description tells us, that it has 60 bars ?!?

alright ... now you may answer that the overall tempo is much faster.
let's say, it's four times faster. 85 x 4 would be 340 BPM. although it's almost impossible to count something at that speed, one bar of 31/4 would still be about 5,5 seconds long (22:4). you have 60 bars with those
quarter signatures (some even with 43/4) , which means the track would still be about 6 minutes at 340 BPM !!!

ok ... let's say you mean 16th instead of quarters. at 85 BMP we would have the same result as if we were counting quarters at 340 BPM ... still too long. 32nds would double the speed. the track would still be about 3 minutes long.

64th at 85 BPM would make sense, because your track is 1:31 min long.

but 64th means a bar of four beats (4/4) is devided into 64 beats - at 85 BMP you have to count up to 64 in 2,6 seconds !! How do you do that.

So what should i do with those time signatures ?
2012-02-26 16:53

Ragnar

2012-02-26 16:53

http://www.buzztunes.org/music/ragnar/parallel-salmon-triscuit-bmx

if you want to see

maybe I still don't understand time signatures, or I meant polyrhythm or something
2012-02-26 17:12

Ragnar

2012-02-26 17:12

even if it is a polyrhythm I have no idea how you would write that besides the way I diagrammed it out
2012-02-26 20:08

thOke

2012-02-26 20:08

all right ... thx for the bmx

you have 171 bpm minutes ... so i was not that wrong with my guess of 85

now i understand why you named different time signatures for one bar ...
because the drums play with a different time signature than the bloks.
makes sense to me.

but now to that '31/4' signature:

the normal one bar 00 pattern in buzz is 4 beats with 4 rows. that makes 16 rows.
if you place a hit every 4th row, you get a 4/4 beat, every 2nd row is 8/8, every row is 16/16.

now lets take your drum pattern 00a as an example. you extended it to 8 beats with 31 rows per beat.
the 8 beats are played over two 4/4 bars so that makes no difference for the time signature.

but you have 31 rows per beat. that means 124 possible hits in one bar !!
if 16 rows make 16/16 ... 124 rows would be 124/124 which usually does not exist.
according to 'traditional' theory the next division after 16th is 32nds, then 64th,
after that would come 128th ... but even with 64th we already are in an almost
unhearable area ... depending on the tempo, of course.

anyway ... to name the time signature of pattern 00a, i would say it's 124/128.
that would represet the divisions you made according to the tempo you chose.
you can divide that further and you get 31/32.

hm ... never heard that ?! me neither.
a human being would not be able to feel or count or play that (precisely).
it's a machine groove that just sounds odd (not bad !) which is what you
wanted to achieve, i guess.

cheers
2012-02-26 20:15

thOke

2012-02-26 20:15

btw ... the 5 is not from me ! i think it's quite interesting.
2012-02-26 21:03

Ragnar

2012-02-26 21:03

Here's a new one in the same vein.